Liz Frey, Fringe's Pelvic Health Medical Director, is joined by Dr. Lorne Brown, a Traditional Chinese Medicine practitioner and founder of AcuBalance Wellness Centre in Vancouver, for a wide-ranging conversation on integrative fertility care. Dr. Brown shares his unexpected journey from accounting to TCM and how two decades of working with fertility patients led him to photobiomodulation — first encountered at an IVF conference in 2008 when a Japanese physician presented remarkable clinical outcomes using red light therapy.
The episode explores the core mechanisms through which red and near-infrared light may support reproductive health: improving blood flow to the uterus and ovaries, reducing inflammation, supporting mitochondrial function in egg cells, and even influencing the microbiome. Dr. Brown also addresses male factor infertility, including protocol adaptations and important cautions around heat and testicular exposure. The conversation touches on the role of the nervous system and stress in fertility — and why a purely hormonal approach often misses the bigger picture.
Two patient stories anchor the science in lived experience: a woman with premature ovarian insufficiency who went on to have two natural pregnancies, and an IVF patient facing high aneuploidy rates who conceived naturally after adding photobiomodulation to her protocol. Whether you're navigating fertility challenges personally or supporting patients through them, this episode offers a compelling look at what integrative care can add to the equation.
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Transcript
Liz Frey: Hi, Lorne. So good to see you. So good to have you on the podcast today.
Dr. Lorne Brown: Thank you, Liz, and I'm excited for our conversation. And I really enjoyed the conversation you and I had on my podcast with you and Genevieve. I'm going to give a shout out right at the beginning — it was episode 129 on the Coherence Code podcast, our deep dive into red light therapy and fertility and hormones.
Liz Frey: Yeah, that was a great conversation. I wanted to have you introduce yourself to our audience. Most people would know you as the fertility expert behind AcuBalance. I'm curious — before all of this, who was Lorne Brown, and what made you decide to essentially leave a career in accounting to become a traditional Chinese medicine practitioner?
Dr. Lorne Brown: Yeah, so I left the chartered accountant path. I had digestive issues, Candida, chronic fatigue, and I couldn't find any solution for that. I tried all the conventional medical approaches. It wasn't until I started seeing naturopathic doctors and then a Chinese medicine doctor — I actually flew to a different city — and it changed my life. My digestion healed. My clarity in my brain — is this what it feels like not to have brain fog? For 10 years after that experience, I studied different alternative medicines, spirituality, nutrition, Chinese medicine, kind of like a hobby while still practicing accounting. Finally I left that career, went back to school, and graduated in 2000 with a Doctor of Traditional Chinese Medicine. I started my practice, AcuBalance, in Vancouver. And it was somewhere around 2004 where it became focused on reproductive health. That only happened because somebody came to see me early in 2002 with fertility issues going through an IVF. There was nobody focusing on fertility back then. She introduced me to her acupuncturist in Houston, who became my mentor. By 2004, I was just doing reproductive health. Now here we are in 2026 — 26 years in practice, big focus on reproductive health, fertility, perimenopause, and menopause.
Liz Frey: Was there a moment or experience where you realized that conventional healthcare wasn't enough and wasn't working?
Dr. Lorne Brown: Yeah, I saw it with my patients and I saw it for myself. I got scoped up the yin yang literally up and down because they were trying to find out what was going on with me and they couldn't. I was even called a hypochondriac at some point. But then I started having severe bleeding symptoms that they couldn't ignore. My aunt was into alternative medicine — that was my entry point. And the results were undeniable. My symptoms went away and the level of clarity and focus I had was awesome. I reached a point where I felt so good physically — what I could do at the gym, my concentration, my thought process — I wanted more. I'm not one of those practitioners that disses another medicine. I'd say Western medicine, Chinese medicine, naturopathic medicine all have their place and I'm a fan of integration, not either/or. Western medicine is great for acute care. Chinese medicine is great for chronic care. The future of medicine, how I see it, is doctors trained in both prevention and intervention.
Liz Frey: So what do you think people are getting wrong right now when thinking about fertility and reproductive health in conventional medicine?
Dr. Lorne Brown: There's a God factor in this — there's more we don't know than we do know. I think we hear a lot about people waiting longer, aging, which is probably a factor. But I'd think that's probably not the main reason, because I see 39, 40, 41-year-olds — people that age are still in their reproducible phase of life. I think the environment, chemicals and toxins, are definitely impacting. They're everywhere — in our food, soil, water, clothing, makeup, cosmetics. Lots of endocrine disruptors. And the other one is stress — nervous system dysregulation. It's not so much the stressor, but how your body perceives the stress. What I see in 26 years of practice when I do regression work — I'm also trained as a clinical hypnotherapist — sometimes it's their childhood where a parent picked them up late from daycare. That's not a traumatic event like we think of abuse. But for some people, based on how their nervous system came into this world, the way they perceive and interpret it can imprint on their nervous system and impact them. I used to really focus on the physical — diet, lifestyle, supplements, herbs — and I don't ignore that. But the missing link in my practice is that we've dismissed or neglected nervous system dysregulation. That nervous system dysregulation affects your immune system, which plays a key role in implantation. It causes more inflammation from stress hormones. Chronic systemic inflammation leads to accelerated biological aging — there's a term called inflammaging. And it impacts your blood flow. If your body doesn't feel safe, your reproductive system is dampened down, blood is diverted for survival to your heart, lungs, and major muscles. And by the way, photobiomodulation at certain locations on the body has been shown to engage the parasympathetic. So even that can address this. The third thing — if you're in a heterosexual relationship, men are involved. And 50% of infertility is related to the man. Men are still fairly ignored in this process. If I could treat every woman's partner simultaneously, I think our success rates would jump through the roof.
Liz Frey: Walk me through what it looks like if you have a new client coming in with a diagnosis of infertility.
Dr. Lorne Brown: We want to find the underlying cause. I want to hear their story — not just the labs. That story I know is going to impact their nervous system. People want to be heard. There's healing behind being heard. Then we do the physical conventional side — day three blood tests, all the standard labs. We probably do a little extra in functional medicine testing — vitamin D levels, a full thyroid panel rather than just TSH, inflammatory markers, metabolic health, cholesterol lipid panel. Because everything's a system and everything's connected. Then our approach is diet, lifestyle, movement — that's always non-negotiable. Adequate rest, good sleep, movement. Digest well, eliminate daily. Regular ovulation, no menstrual pain. We address all that through low level laser therapy, photobiomodulation, acupuncture, Chinese herbal medicine, naturopathic IVs, NAD injections and precursors for mitochondrial health. And then I do what I call conscious work or energy psychology if people want to work on their deeper patterns. First we want to find the underlying cause.
Liz Frey: What made you move into and use photobiomodulation in your practice?
Dr. Lorne Brown: In 2008, I was at a Western IVF conference and one of the doctors shared they were about to release an abstract using laser acupuncture on transfer day. They replicated the Paulus protocol — the 2002 study that showed acupuncture on transfer day improved implantation rates over 60%. Their study had four groups: laser acupuncture, sham laser, acupuncture, and control. The laser acupuncture group had a 1.5% increase in implantation over everybody, which was exciting because the sham versus real laser showed it's not placebo. So I called up the IVF doc and acupuncturist, learned their protocol, bought that laser, and we started going on-site to the Olive Fertility Clinic in Vancouver to do acupuncture combined with laser acupuncture before and after transfer. We did two years of looking at our data — those that had our AcuBalance treatment had a higher pregnancy rate and lower miscarriage rate than those that didn't. Then I came across Dr. Oshiro in the literature. He's a medical doctor and pain specialist in Japan who by accident started using it for fertility. He would first treat around the neck and the celiac plexus to engage a parasympathetic response — bring blood flow head to toe — then go to the local area. A woman with back pain who wasn't menstruating came in. He resolved her back pain and her period came back. When a second woman with the same situation came in, he realized: maybe by increasing blood flow head to toe, I'm bringing more blood flow to the ovaries and rejuvenating them. He did a pilot study: 74 women, average age 39, nine years of infertility, 15 ART cycles. High 20% pregnancy rate, around 68% live birth rate. He expanded to 701 women with similar results. That got me down a rabbit hole. I traveled to Toronto to meet Fred Kahn, a vascular surgeon deep into photobiomodulation. I went to Australia to Roberta Chow's clinic — she's published in The Lancet showing photobiomodulation can relieve neck pain, and her clinic was also seeing women with endometriosis infertility conceive naturally after treatment. Then I learned about a group out of Denmark — Anne-Marie Jensen had a large case study group showing high pregnancy rates when treating three times a week during the follicular phase over three cycles. I also got to interview Dr. Nakamura in Japan, who works in an IVF clinic combining acupuncture with low level laser therapy. He had 10 years of data showing that over at least three cycles, he doubled blastocyst rates. Our protocols ended up being almost identical. That's kind of how we developed our Lazy Baby program and incorporated photobiomodulation into our practice.
Liz Frey: Are you finding that in the fertility world there's starting to be more conversation about cellular energy, mitochondrial activity, and the importance of light therapies?
Dr. Lorne Brown: Mitochondrial health is on the radar for many diseases, and fertility for sure. The current theory for why advanced maternal age matters is that it's a mitochondrial issue — the maternal mitochondria goes to the embryo from the egg, not the sperm. For the egg to be prepared to be inseminated, it has to separate its chromosomes — that takes a lot of energy, related to the mitochondria of the egg cell. Then for the embryo to divide whether in the fallopian tube or in the IVF lab, that takes energy from the maternal mitochondria. So we want to help the mitochondria of the female. What damages mitochondria health? Stress, inflammation, oxidative stress, poor blood flow. That's why we say eat anti-inflammatory, get rest, move the body, sleep. One of the main mechanisms of why low level laser therapy treats pain and accelerates recovery — and now fertility — is because it improves mitochondrial function. My understanding is cytochrome C receives the photon, it dislodges the nitric oxide from the heme molecule, and now you have good vascular dilation. The heme molecule without that nitric oxide bound to it improves the cycle of energy production and you get more ATP. The reason I also like light on other levels is we know it regulates inflammation systemically, through the blood. We know through Parkinson's research that it helps with the microbiome. The microbiome impacts egg quality and uterine receptivity. If we're using it for blood flow, inflammation regulation, and the microbiome, there are studies showing that just putting it for 15 minutes on the upper traps affected blood sugar metabolism. Can it improve egg mitochondria directly? Indirectly yes, we think. Directly — if we can get enough photons to the level of the ovary. The further the light source from the target, the less energy because light dissipates. And that's why I'm very interested in the pelvic wand. The vagina wall is really thin — that's why IVF retrieval goes in through the vagina to reach the eggs. If you put light into the vaginal wall towards the ovary, maybe those photons seep into the pelvic bowl and reach the ovary. We don't have data that it can do this, but I'm curious. Because it already has benefits of blood flow, regulating inflammation, helping with the vaginal microbiome — those things we know it can do.
Liz Frey: What do you do for the men that come in? How do you integrate light therapy for sperm health?
Dr. Lorne Brown: We will often use a device along the sacrum area and lower abdomen, the microbiome area. We don't put our LED systems directly on the testes because testes don't like heat — heat can impact motility or count, just like fevers or hot tubs. The LED systems people buy off Amazon can give off a lot of heat. In our clinic, we use laser probes for the testes because the laser does less heat than the LEDs, and we can control the dosage of photons. We hand the patient the probe and they move it around gently under a sheet. For LED wraps, we do those on the lower back and lower abdomen but not directly on the testes. I had a gentleman who had really poor sperm quality, got to great sperm quality, then came back months later devastated because his motility was shot. He had started doing infrared sauna every day. I said, stop the sauna and retest in three months. It went back to normal. So I'm cautious with heat near the testes, but we do use light therapy for men as part of the fertility protocol.
Liz Frey: Can you share a patient story that has really struck you?
Dr. Lorne Brown: I'll share two. First: a woman in her mid-30s diagnosed with premature ovarian insufficiency. Her AFC was essentially zero, the ovaries even looked shriveled, her AMH was undetectable, she wasn't ovulating, and for her own reasons IVF was not an option. She said, I'm looking for a miracle. We worked with her for nine months — herbal medicine, acupuncture, laser two to three times a week at the beginning, and energy psychology. I always like to heavy-load the front end to get momentum going. She ended up ovulating again. Her doctor put her on letrozole, which wonked out her cycle. We regulated again, they put her on letrozole again, it didn't work again. Based on that pattern I asked: would you be willing to take a break from letrozole and let us try to get three natural cycles? We got three nice natural ovulation cycles. Nine to ten months later, she conceived naturally. She had a baby. Then after her baby, her cycle came back and she conceived naturally a second time. Two kids. What I learned: we know very little, listen to yourself, women are the stronger sex, and perseverance is everything.
Dr. Lorne Brown: Second story: age 39, a health provider herself. She went through IVF and got five or seven embryos biopsied — all came back abnormal, all aneuploidy. She was devastated. When she came in, she was in sympathetic overdrive: insomnia, inflamed skin, aches and pains, always tired, gut issues. She had a needle phobia, so her treatment was energy psychology, herbs, and predominantly laser therapy with laser acupuncture because we didn't want to add more stress. About six months later, she conceived naturally and gave birth. Five or seven embryos from IVF all abnormal — six months older, conceived naturally. Then she miscarried a subsequent pregnancy, came back for a tune-up. But she was a completely different person than when I first met her. She'd lost weight without counting calories, her skin changed, her sleep changed, she became calm. She had transformed. This time she wasn't panicked. She said, I just want a tune-up, remind me of the tools, can I do some herbs and a few laser sessions? She conceived her second child naturally at 41 or 42. This was my aha moment that nervous system regulation is the most important part of what I do. She went from ‘I can't live if I don't have this baby’ to ‘I really want this baby, but if I don't have this baby, I know I'm okay.’ And that's when the miracle happened. In Chinese medicine, for fertility to happen you have to have flow and receptivity. She was in a receptive, allowing state. She got rid of the noise. Flow and receptivity happen.
Liz Frey: What's one aspect of health that's just not negotiable for you personally?
Dr. Lorne Brown: Mental health. I use gadgets — I use light on my head, my neurovisor regularly. And I use this process I call energy ecology throughout my day for my mental wellbeing. Right action follows right thinking. If I can clear the noise, then I can tap into my intuitive self. If I'm in a state of fear and lack, the actions and behaviors that follow will produce more fear and lack because that's the root of the action. If I come from feeling whole and complete, the energy behind the action is whole and completeness and I'll get more of that. So nervous system regulation, mental health — non-negotiable for me.
Liz Frey: Lorne, I want to thank you so much for sharing all of your expertise and wisdom on fertility, light therapy, and acupuncture. For our listeners, where can they find you?
Dr. Lorne Brown: Two places: lornebrown.com is where I share my Coherence Code podcast and all the mental health and energy psychology work. And accubalance.ca — if you're interested in reproductive health, you want the fertility diet (free to download with 21 days of meals), blogs, and podcast episodes related to reproductive health, perimenopause, and menopause. Lorne is spelled L-O-R-N-E and AcuBalance is acubalance.ca because we're in Canada.
Liz Frey: Thanks so much, Lorne. A pleasure.
Dr. Lorne Brown: Thank you, Liz. I really enjoyed our conversation.